Admin and me conflict

ok i was wondering what do you define as scripting?
i define it as going into the wepons and editing them
but elec says that isnt scripting....
write what you think is scripting and vote who you think is right Purple Duck Or ill just say elc cause i cant spell his name

P.S. dont just say elec is right cause hes elec plz....
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  • Your definition is very loose and unspecific. But, Elec is right on this one. Scripting isn't just weapon-editing. Scripting is programming and generally editing the game.
  • Yeah... It isn't just weapon editing. It's programing and editing the game. (Wow? sounds a lot like Eolk's opinion on scripting... I need to stop hanging around him. :P)
  • no i know wepon editing isnt the only knda of scripting but elec said "thats not scripting thats just chaingin numbers" what does he do change letters big diffrence!
  • Elec is right, all that editing weapons involves (in most cases) is changing values on datablocks
  • ok ill admit im wrong...... but so is he

    i just went on dictionary.com and none of the definitons of scripting meananything like this but editing is wrong to so is there a word for this stuff we do?
    yes "chainging" and it means To cause to be diffrent
    so it dosent this say this is not chaing or that is not chainging it dosent say one thing is not chainging so who is right now?
  • But scripting is so much more. Not just changing a few parameters on the rules of the system, but also creating new rules, and new behaviors.

    If you want to be really pedantic though, which by your poll, you clearly want to be: scripting is the act of writing a script. A script is a set of instructions for a script interpreter that are ultimately translated into instructions for the computer on which the interpreter is running. Changing a few values around is just that -- it is not coming up with a new set of instructions for the system.

    By the way, I think you should learn how to create blank text documents before you try to learn how to program.

    Relevant chatlog contents:
    2008/08/20 14:23.40 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: on advancedmod.com it says make a new file what does it mean?
    2008/08/20 14:23.50 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: do i make folder or what?
    2008/08/20 14:23.56 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: for a new wepon
    2008/08/20 14:23.59 {NOS}Electricutioner: I thought you said you understood the basics.
    2008/08/20 14:24.12 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: i do just not that :)
    2008/08/20 14:24.27 {NOS}Electricutioner: Then clearly your definition of "understanding the basics" is different than mine.
    2008/08/20 14:24.28 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: nobody ever told me
    2008/08/20 14:24.31 {NOS}Electricutioner: What DO you know?
    2008/08/20 14:24.46 {NOS}Electricutioner: Just list them off...
    2008/08/20 14:25.02 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: how to edit wepons gravity power color
    2008/08/20 14:25.11 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: that kinda stuff
    2008/08/20 14:25.20 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: i only know wepon scripting
    2008/08/20 14:25.33 {NOS}Electricutioner: So you know how to read a file, and change a couple of numbers.
    2008/08/20 14:25.38 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: not the anvanced scripting that u do like auto aim
    2008/08/20 14:25.45 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: Yes.~wvoice/Male5/gbl.yes.wav
    2008/08/20 14:25.47 {NOS}Electricutioner: No... clearly you don't.
    2008/08/20 14:25.48 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: basicly
    2008/08/20 14:25.54 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: ?
    2008/08/20 14:26.06 {NOS}Electricutioner: Changing numbers in a file doesn't qualify as knowing the basics of scripting.
    2008/08/20 14:26.16 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: ?
    2008/08/20 14:26.25 {NOS}Electricutioner: I'm pretty sure that statement is completely unambiguous.
    2008/08/20 14:26.46 {NOS}Electricutioner: Do you know how to create a text file on a computer?
    2008/08/20 14:26.47 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: witch means.......
    2008/08/20 14:26.51 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: No.~wvoice/Male5/gbl.no.wav
    2008/08/20 14:27.10 {NOS}Electricutioner: Then you don't know enough about how to use a computer to think about programming.
    2008/08/20 14:27.13 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: i know how to change normal t2 file to note pad in classic
    2008/08/20 14:27.34 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: ok.....

    2008/08/20 14:45.50 Bad Boy=Purple Duck: all i wanted to do was learn how to make auto aim
    -- Editorial Addendum: Purple Duck disconnected at this point. --
    2008/08/20 14:46.55 {NOS}Electricutioner: All he wanted to do is make an autoaimer.
    2008/08/20 14:47.03 {NOS}Insane Turkey: duck?
    2008/08/20 14:47.16 {NOS}Electricutioner: He doesn't even know how to create a new text file on a computer.
    2008/08/20 14:47.21 {NOS}Insane Turkey: o_O
    2008/08/20 14:47.27 {NOS}Insane Turkey: how can you not know that/!
    2008/08/20 14:47.47 {NOS}Insane Turkey: my 60+ year old grandma can do that. without my help!
    2008/08/20 14:48.04 {NOS}Electricutioner: Well... if you use your computer for Myspace, AIM, and web browsing, you probably don't need to delve into such complex
    2008/08/20 14:48.08 {NOS}Electricutioner: things as creating files.
  • you kept this because...... and u said right there "scripting is so much more" and in conversation u said it wasnt scripting.
    more and isnt are to very diffrent things
  • and to add on to that how am i supposed to find out how to figure out how to make a blank text document if A. i dont know how B. advancedmod.com dosnt tell me how and C. no one will tell me
  • No... I said "Changing numbers in a file doesn't qualify as knowing the basics of scripting."

    I never said that changing numbers in a file "is not scripting".
  • ok then what do you qualify as scripting?
  • See my first post in this thread.
  • He didn't mean that changing values in weapon datablocks isn't a small part of scripting, just that knowing how to change a few numbers isn't what he would call "the basics".

    The likely reason most people wouldn't tell you how to create a blank text document is because they'd assume you're joking - working with basic windows functions is second nature for most people these days, and the process is really so simple you'll wonder why you didn't try it out yourself.

    Method 1:
    Navigate to the folder you want to create a document.
    Right-click on a blank space and look in the context menu for the word "New" (there will be an arrow to the right of it).
    Hover over this and a menu will pop up the side. Look for "Text Document" and click on it.
    You will then be able to name the document, when you're finished press enter.

    Method 2:
    Open up your favourite text editor (such as Notepad, wordpad - you can open up notepad from Start > All Programs > Accessories > Notepad)
    You should have an entirely blank page. If you don't, and need one, click File > New. This is your new text file.
    To save it to a location on your harddrive, click File > Save.
  • Elec owned you purple.
    Purple why you think elec would be wrong? He has been scripting over 5 years. :simma:
  • I may just break out in lulz?
  • Poor Duck. Elec is right, but I'll vote for you anyways.
  • The likely reason most people wouldn't tell you how to create a blank text document is because they'd assume you're joking - working with basic windows functions is second nature for most people these days, and the process is really so simple you'll wonder why you didn't try it out yourself.
    Actually, I have a rule of not solving peoples problems for them, especially for programming. I can give pointers, ideas, places to look for more information, but I will never outright tell people the answer to their problem.

    It's that whole give-a-man-a-fish versus teach-a-man-to-fish thing. If you give a person the answer to their problem they come back the next day with a new problem to solve. They never appreciate the complexity of solving their problems if they are given the answer, so they depreciate the person that helps them. If I told him exactly how to create a file, what's to stop him from asking me some other equally inane question related to the script he wants to write (like, what to name the file, or where to put it)?

    Programming is hard, and if you aren't intelligent enough to search for answers on your own, the hand holding crutch to reach a certain level doesn't amount to anything. In this case, I recognize that Purple Duck needs to learn a lot more about using a computer before he should be thinking about the really hard stuff.

    I told him so in that conversation, as is visible in the chat log.
  • I didn't necessarily mean you, as he sounded like he had asked a few people (though I suppose he could've been referring to this thread) and nobody would so much as tell him to google it.
    Something as simple as creating a new file can be a difficult task for him if he doesn't know where to look, or even that he should be exploring and experimenting. He feels safest in familiar actions and nobody told him that the computer isn't limited to what he has been shown.
    Some people do need a bit of guidance to get on the right track to getting started - such as from tutorials - and have to teach themselves to be adventurous. Without a point of reference and a bit of direction in plain, simple language, they just find themselves lost in an ocean of concepts without the means to catch their proverbial fish.

    I'm sure you might've noticed at some point, but a lot of the young kids that you talk to on here feel intimidated or entirely misunderstand you when you give them technical advice. :p
  • Purple, to put it short

    Elec is right, you're a newb.

    No offense.

    (Still love you, my noobish, pubertish friend)
  • .............
  • No comment works.
  • elec do u mean "give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for life" and zaxx that wastes space thats like 20 more letters
  • Rawr! (lulz?)
  • *sighs* Krash, if someone isn't smart enough to google an issue....I just have no further comment. And honestly, creating a text document is the basic of the basics of the basics.
  • I taught myself how to create a text document pretty damn early in my life. it shouldn't be too hard at all, it's like feeding your kitty.
  • how can you not know how to create a text document?
    Its so simple, I could probably teach my dog to do it...

    Oh btw, elec is definitely right.
  • are u saying im not as smart as ur dog and B. if i had a modavition i could figure out how to create a next document
  • If you don't have motivation to learn how to operate a computer, you definitely don't have the motivation the learn how to program a computer. Thus, any time spent teaching you how to program a computer would be completely wasted.

    Thanks for making that crystal clear.
  • Duck fails. Elec is always right, even when he's wrong.

    I tried to contradict him in some of the things he says... I failed hard and learned my lesson on that.

    If you want to script, you'd best get crackin' because it's only gonna get harder as you move from changing existing values to creating new commands in "computer language".

    I've had a taste of the stuff making maps in Warcraft III. I would start working on what's called "Triggers", which is basically scripting in my opinion. You have what's called GUI triggering, (Simple user-friendly scripting), and then you can convert a trigger into what's normally referred to as JASS. I tried to make commands in JASS, but I just didn't have the patience to continue on because it's quite a bit of work trying to figure out some of the commands and make them work the way you want 'em to.

    What I'm trying to say is that scripting isn't nearly as simple as you would think, not even the basics. It takes time and practice to learn how to script properly and efficiently.
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